Following are excerpts from a TV debate between Egyptian cleric Mahmoud Shaaban and Egyptian journalist Islam Al-Buheiri, which aired on Al-Kahera Wal-Nas TV on March 5 and 6, 2013.
Moderator: If a woman abides by all the laws of the shari’a, in terms of the dress code, conduct, and everything – would you accept her as president of the country?
Mahmoud Shaaban: No.
Moderator: Why not?
Mahmoud Shaaban: Because the Prophet said: “A nation headed by a woman will never succeed.” The Prophet Muhammad warned against it. We abide by the texts of the shari’a.
Nor will I accept a Christian president for Egypt.
Moderator: Do you demand to impose the jizya poll tax on Christian Egyptians?
Mahmoud Shaaban: I demand the implementation of the shari’a.
Moderator: I was asking specifically about the jizya…
Mahmoud Shaaban: If Christians knew what the jizya means, they would demand it themselves.
Moderator: What is the meaning of the jizya?
Mahmoud Shaaban: If the shari’a were implemented as a whole, the Christians would be the happiest of all.
Brother, you should learn something. Shaving your beard diminishes your masculinity, according to Islam.
Islam Al-Buheiri: Of course, the entire problem boils down to a little bit of hair.
Mahmoud Shaaban: You’d better fear Allah. All four imams agreed on this.
Islam Al-Buheiri: Are you sure about that?
Mahmoud Shaaban: You know nothing about the shari’a. You want the Islam of America and Europe.
Islam Al-Buheiri: Yes, Islam exists in America and in Europe.
Mahmoud Shaaban: You want the Islam that Europe and America want. An Islam with no bite…
Islam Al-Buheiri: Actually, Islam with no beards…
Mahmoud Shaaban: What you want is an Islam that prostrates itself before the Zio-Western, Anglo-Torah ideology, my friend.
Islam Al-Buheiri: I’m not your friend.
Mahmoud Shaaban: Brother, have some fear of Allah. Stop leading people astray.
Islam Al-Buheiri: Is it me who is leading them astray?! You haven’t said one word of truth so far.
Mahmoud Shaaban: You don’t know what truth means.
Islam Al-Buheiri: You said Christians are infidels. Where did you get this from?
Mahmoud Shaaban: It’s in the Koran.
Egypt is a Muslim country and will never be anything else.
Islam Al-Buheiri: It is Muslim despite you, not because of you. You are scaring Islam away from it.
Mahmoud Shaaban: You’d better behave yourself, or I will show you the sharpness of my tongue. I’m restraining myself as much as I can.
Islam Al-Buheiri: Do you want to have a duel? You think I don’t have a tongue myself?
Mahmoud Shaaban: You deserve it. You don’t stand a chance against me.
Islam Al-Buheiri: When we’re off the air, I will teach you a lesson.
Mahmoud Shaaban: By Allah, behave yourself. I will give you a taste of my shoe.
Shaaban bends to remove his shoe
Islam Al-Buheiri: Oh yeah? I will wipe the floor with you.
Mahmoud Shaaban: I will give you a taste of my shoe.
Islam Al-Buheiri: This is the moral level you stoop to. I’m glad you’re doing this for everyone to see.
Mahmoud Shaaban: Behave yourself!
Islam Al-Buheiri: I will teach you and all you people how to behave! Grabbing your shoe? Well done, I’m very pleased.
Moderator tries to restrain Mahmoud Shaaban and calm him down
Moderator: I implore you… Please…
Mahmoud Shaaban: Don’t you see what he’s doing? Ask me a question, and I will answer.
Islam Al-Buheiri: I got from him everything I needed. I am very pleased.
Mahmoud Shaaban: I’ve said nothing but the truth, and I will not apologize for it.
Islam Al-Buheiri: You’re done for, Sheik Mahmoud.
Mahmoud Shaaban: Behave yourself. I will not keep silent.
Islam Al-Buheiri: When we’re off the air, I’ll show you my own shoe. I don’t want people to see this. I promise you that once we’re off the air, I’ll teach you a new kind of defeat.