Following are excerpts
from a TV show featuring Lebanese MP Uqab Saqr and Islamist Omar Bakri,
which aired on LBC TV on May 5, 2011, and from an interview with Omar
Bakri, which aired on TRT TV on May 4, 2011.
LBC TV, May 5, 2011:
Uqab Saqr: There
is no doubt that [Osama Bin Laden] is a killer, who spilled the blood
of Muslims, just as he killed the enemies of the Muslims. He is responsible
for what happened in northern Africa...
TV host: A killer
cannot be a martyr.
Uqab Saqr: I don't
want to get into these definitions.
Omar Bakri: I
agree with MP Uqab that we should not say he is a martyr. We say that
we consider him to be a martyr, but Allah will judge him. That is what
we were taught by the Prophet Muhammad. Indeed, he fought, just like
the Prophet Muhammad did. This happens in the struggle between truth
and falsehood.
We do not denounce the
mujahideen who fight the Israeli enemy, the Russian enemy in Chechnya,
or the Crusader American enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq. That is the
Jihad for the sake of Allah.
TV host: Who is
the Crusader enemy?
Omar Bakri: It
is those who occupy Muslim land, and violate what is sacred. We consider
Israel to be a Crusader enemy. The American and European forces in Afghanistan
and Iraq are occupiers.
TV host: When
Osama Bin Laden turned to the US – who was he fighting there?
Omar Bakri: There
is no doubt that the US, and the people that elected the US leadership,
carried out operations prior to 9/11. They bombed Sudan and Iraq, supported
Israel, stood alongside the dictatorial Arab regimes, and so on. Therefore,
this was retaliation on the part of Al-Qaeda.
TV host: So you
deem the killing legal, honorable sheik?
Omar Bakri: Allah
does, not us. We say: If somebody attacks you, attack him in a similar
fashion. Are you saying that anybody who fights the Israeli enemy is
legalizing killing? I am not saying: "Kill the Americans."
Nobody is saying this. But in a state of conflict or war, there is undoubtedly
a confrontation.
I am an expert on the
Islamic groups. I am not a member of Al-Qaeda. I speak from a purely
Islamic perspective. Al-Qaeda, just like the other Islamic Jihadi organizations,
works to implement the word of Allah, and to liberate the lands of the
Muslims from foreign occupation.
Uqab Saqr: First
of all, I reject the comparison between the Prophet Muhammad, and Al-Zarqawi
and Osama Bin Laden. I reject this, because we must not lump the Prophet
Muhammad together with a bunch of murderers.
[...]
TRT TV, May 4, 2011:
Omar Bakri: First
of all, in all honesty, I'd like to take the opportunity to send the
Islamic nation my condolences on the martyrdom of the leader Sheik Osama
Bin Laden. This is a sad occasion, because the Islamic nation needs
great leaders like Sheik Osama these days...
Interviewer: Do
you think that the entire Arab nation viewed him as a great leader?
Omar Bakri: Like
it or not, he was a leader in the full sense of the word, as admitted
by friends and foes alike. In addition, this is a happy occasion for
Sheik Osama Bin Laden and his brethren. He wanted to die for the sake
of Allah.
[...]