Following are excerpts
from an interview with Afghan MP Shukria Barakzai, which aired on Al-Arabiya
TV on November 15, 2010:
Interviewer: With
regard to your personal experience with the Taliban – you suffered
violence and beatings at the hand of the Taliban, and then you established
the secret schools of those times. You are perhaps the best example
of the suffering of the Afghan woman in those days. Today, people are
talking about the possible return of the Taliban, its inclusion in the
government, and dialogue with it. What will be the condition of Afghan
women if the Taliban returns to power in Afghanistan?
Shukria Barakzai:
What do you think – that life was easy during the Soviet regime, or
during the days of the mujahideen, when the country was in civil
war, or in the days of the Taliban? Life was not easy in any of these
times.
Today, we need security
and peace. Security is our number one demand. What's the difference
between me and the Taliban? We are all Afghans. I am speaking about
the Afghans among them. They can come and join the political process.
I am no better than them, but nor an I any less than them. Responsibility
lies on the shoulders of all of us Afghans. We are tired of war. We
want peace.
With regard to women,
do you think that the mujahideen, who are part of the government,
accepted us easily? No. We had a really difficult time when they were
leading the country, and we did with the Taliban, as well.
I can assure you that
there is no chance that Taliban will become the regime again. They will
not, because they are not the same Taliban as before, and today's Afghanistan
Is not the same Afghanistan, worn out by civil war, which would welcome
the Taliban. Today, we must turn to dialogue and negotiations within
the framework of the Afghan constitution.
[...]
Interviewer: Your
approach is an optimistic one. If the Taliban is refusing to engage
in dialogue with you or the government, how can you possibly cooperate
with those who used to beat you, and whom you used to accuse of being
against women's rights and human rights? How can such a dialogue possibly
take place? How can the future of Afghanistan be built, given these
differences?
[...]
Shukria Barakzai:
As a mother, I lived and worked for five years under one roof with those
who are responsible for the killing of my children. I lost a son and
a daughter. Do you think it is easy for any mother to sit down at the
same table with them, with the painful memories always coming to mind?
But I have to protect my other children. Today, we are all at the same
stage.
Do you think that I've
never talked to any Taliban member? Of course I have. They too came
to this house, and I received them. Whenever they face a problem which
I can solve in my capacity, they come to me and ask for my help.
What do you think –
that it was easy for me to become a chairwoman, and the only woman on
the tribal peace council in Afghanistan? The notions of the Taliban
were uttered by all parties, but even so, I gained the confidence of
the council. I have experience in how to bring my enemy over to my side.
What do you think –
for how long should we continue the conflict and the killing? For how
long should we see mothers, daughters, and sons crying? How long should
we continue to see our country burning? How long should we see bloodshed?
We have had enough. When I say that the nation is tired, this means
a lot to us. We have grown tired. We want to teach the Afghans to be,
first and foremost, Afghans, to defend the county, and to make sacrifices
for the nation.
The Taliban is not a
people that has come from a different continent.
[...]
In my view, talk about
Jihad is talk about past history. It has become history. Today's generation
has different demands. They want to build a new value system of a new
Afghanistan. They have a new approach. If you encounter a boy or girl,
18 or 19 years old, around the country, they are asking for the same
things: No violence, an education, job opportunities, and [a chance]
to work for the sake of the country. That is the message of the new
generation. I am very optimistic about this new generation, because
it is not repeating the mistakes of its predecessor.
[...]