The following excerpts
are from an interview with Kuwaiti author Ibtihal Al-Khatib, which aired
on LBC TV on January 27, 2010.
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
You presented me as a Shiite, but I always present myself as a Kuwaiti.
I don't make my spiritual beliefs public, because this is a personal
matter. This is a matter of principle for me, in order to emphasize
the private nature of one's spiritual beliefs.
Interviewer: I
thought you would object to me calling you a Shiite, and say that I
should call you "a Muslim" – not a Shiite or a Sunni.
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
No. Just a Kuwaiti.
[...]
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
The country should accept all its religions. Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait
– the different sects living in these countries should be able to
feel as equal citizens: Kuwaitis, Christians, Muslims, secular people...
Interviewer:
Does your country negate your religion?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
If the legislation is religious, then yes, definitely. It attacks your
belief, if it does not conform with what is prevalent. That's why I
always say – and this is a matter of principle for me – that I do
not label myself spiritually, because this is between me and my creator.
I label myself only as a Kuwaiti.
Interview:
I respect your opinion, of course.
Why are you demanding
that Hizbullah be investigated?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
I thought an investigation should be initiated from within Hizbullah
itself, and by the people supporting Hizbullah more than by its opponents.
If I suffered any losses in this war – even if I consider myself victorious
– I should investigate what went wrong, and how we could have avoided
the loss of life, of property, and so on. This did not happen. Instead,
there were victory [ceremonies]. A "divine victory" was declared,
and sweets were passed around.
They gave the victory
precedence over self-scrutiny, despite all the losses suffered by Lebanon.
They should have first acted like Israel, which scrutinized itself,
even though it suffered fewer losses in terms of lives and property.
Hizbullah should have examined itself as well, and see what went wrong.
[...]
The Winograd Report acknowledged
the Israeli losses, and I greatly respect this approach – as an approach,
not because it was done by Israel – because self-accountability is
the first step to success. If this report had glorified Israel, I would
have said it was nonsense. But this was true self-scrutiny, in an effort
to calculate future measures. Hizbullah should have done the same thing.
[...]
At the time, I thought
that the decisions made by Hizbullah were wrong, and that they deviated
from the framework of the state of Lebanon. It was as if Hizbullah had
become a state within the state.
[...]
Any religiously-motivated
resistance movement scares me, because religious motivation excludes
all other approaches.
[...]
Look at Europe, with
all its Crusader movements, and the pure Christian movements, for the
liberation of lands, and the spreading of Christianity. All these movements
have led to bloodshed, and ended up with nothing. The religious movements...
Interviewer:
Whose fault is this?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
It happens when spiritual belief takes precedence over politics.
[...]
The motivation of Hamas,
for example, is religious. It believes that the Muslims will ultimately
emerge victorious, and that the Jews will be vanquished. How can Israel
and Hamas possibly conduct any dialogue? There is no room for dialogue.
This holds true with
regard to Israel as well. Israel is a racist country, because it was
established on Jewish religious foundations. Maybe there is a secular
approach in the country today, and they try to separate... Their beginnings,
however, are Jewish. This mutual slaughter will never end.
[...]
Europe is the best example
for this. They conducted religious wars for centuries, and eventually,
even the Church realized that this was pointless. You cannot force...
I always say there are two things you cannot impose on people: faith
and love. You cannot force somebody to love you or to believe or not
believe in something.
The Church realized this,
and minimized its role to preaching, to spiritual and moral guidance,
but became isolated from politics. Europe became stable only when the
Church was isolated from politics. This enabled the Europeans to unite,
despite their religious diversity.
Interviewer:
But...
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
Let me finish. Today, Muslims and people of other faiths take refuge
in Europe. There, they feel safer and more stable than in their own
Islamic countries. They immigrate to places with work opportunities
and freedom of speech, and even the freedom of belief that they lack
in their own countries.
[...]
People who are persecuted
in their own countries – whether economically or in terms of their
religion – emigrate to countries of the so-called "infidel West,"
in order to have room to breathe economically, socially, or even in
terms of their religious practices. This is the best evidence of what
I am saying. People think that I am calling for separation of religion
and society, and that I don't want religion in society at all. It is
naïve to say this.
[...]
Interviewer: Do
you support peace with Israel?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
This is a very sensitive issue. I meant to write about this in my next
column, following a conversation I had with my father. I told him that
we need to conduct dialogue now. The Palestinians have been dying for
a hundred years, and perhaps the time for dialogue has come, so that
Palestinian society will be able to build itself, and so that their
children will be able to live and study, and will have better opportunities
than this continuous slaughtering.
Interviewer:
Do you think that the Israelis might accept dialogue, although they
too subscribe to the principle of using force?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
Look, they are the stronger party at present, and the Palestinians are
the weaker party internationally.
Interviewer:
So we should give in?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
Absolutely not. We should conduct resistance, but in another manner.
In my view, we should be conducting resistance in a smarter way.
[...]
Take, for example, Japan
following World War II, when the nuclear bombs were dropped on the two
Japanese cities. Japan surrendered, saying: We lost the war, and the
US won. We will not hold a grudge. We will not become obsessed with
it. It began to rebuild itself, and today, Japan has become a main economic
threat to the US. It rebuilt itself technologically and economically.
Interviewer:
But Palestine and Israel are different from the US and Japan.
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
These are different cases. But what I am saying is that we need to abandon
the collision course we are on.
[...]
Interviewer:
Why do some Arab and Muslim countries reject Shiite ideology?
Ibtihal Al-Khatib:
First of all, I think that it is the ideology of the minority – not
necessarily in terms of numbers, but in terms of political strength,
just like the Sunni ideology is repressed in Iran. Due to the mixing
of religion and politics – if the leadership is Sunni, the Shiites
are repressed, and if the leadership is Shiite, the Sunnis are repressed.
This repression leads to instability, which, in turn, leads to revolutions.
That is why this region is volatile.