The following are
excerpts from an interview with Islamic scholar Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi,
which aired on BBC Arabic on February 8, 2010.
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
If Egypt cares only about its own security, it is free to do what it
wants. But Egypt bears Arab and Islamic responsibility. I believe that
the defense of Gaza is not the duty of its people alone, but of all
Arabs and Muslims.
[...]
Interviewer: Are
you implying that Egyptian national security must be conditional upon
Arab and Islamic security?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Brother, don't you care about anything except for Egypt's national security?
Let me tell you something. If your fatwas
correspond to the positions of the state, you are considered a great
mufti and scholar, but if you disagree with them, they level accusations
against you. For example, in Al-Azhar's Islamic Research Council, we
have been studying the issue of organ transplants for several months.
The government was seeking a fatwa permitting organ transplants.
When I agreed with the government, all of a sudden, I was great.
[...]
Interviewer: If
we want to draw a relation between Egyptian national security, and Arab
and Islamic national security...
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Don't you have anything else to deal with except Egypt's national security?
Interviewer: Let
me finish this point, please. If Egyptian national security...
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
This is very strange. You brought me here, just so you can waste the
entire show on Egypt's national security and the wall.
Interviewer: Let
us conclude the issue with the following question: If Egypt's national
security depends upon Arab national security...
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
I won't respond to this question.
[...]
I condemn the presence
of the [US military] base in Qatar, as well as the presence of an official
Israeli bureau in Qatar. I have condemned this publicly, as the people
of Qatar, and especially the Emir of Qatar, know. I'm not embellishing
the truth.
When Peres visited Qatar
after the Qana massacre, I delivered a sermon, in which I said that
those who shook hands with Peres should wash their hands seven times,
one of those times in dirt.
[...]
It has been said that
[Abbas] called for the [Israeli] invasion of Gaza. I said that if this
is proven to be true, it is not enough to sentence him to death, but
that he must be stoned, because he is the president of Palestine, and
a president who calls for the invasion of his people has no right to
live. His people should stone him to death.
[...]
I supported martyrdom
operations, and I was not the only one. Hundreds of Islamic scholars
supported these operations. When the Islamic Jurisprudence Council convened
in Kuwait, hundreds of scholars signed their names to a fatwa
[supporting such operations]. This is a necessary thing, as I told them
in London. Give the Palestinians tanks, airplanes, and missiles, and
they won't carry out martyrdom operations. They are forced to turn themselves
into human bombs, in order to defend their land, their honor, and their
homeland.
Interviewer: Sheik
Al-Qaradhawi, I'd like you to explain this point calmly, if possible.
Does this necessity justify the killing of civilians in such operations?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
The [Palestinians] has been making sure that civilians are not killed.
They always look for concentrations of soldiers. If a civilian is killed,
it is not intentional.
Interviewer: So
your position is different when these operations take place in places
with civilians, like markets, right?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
They didn't mean to do this, and in any case, they are not infallible.
Mistakes can happen.
[...]
I will not sit down with
anybody who approves of Israel. I have refused to participate in any
Jewish-Christian-Islamic dialogue. I welcome Christian-Islamic dialogue,
but if a Jew comes into it, I say that I will not sit on the same podium
with a Jew who recognizes Israel.
Interviewer: But
there are Arab countries and leaders who have recognized Israel, aren't
there?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes, there are.
Interviewer: And
you are not prepared to sit down with them either?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
With whom?
Interviewer: With
the Arab countries and leaders who have recognized Israel?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Brother, are you comparing the Arabs with the Zionists who plundered
my land, spilled my blood, and drove my people out?
Interviewer: Sheik
Al-Qaradhawi, we hard you say: "anyone who recognizes Israel."
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
I meant the Jews who recognize Israel. I will not share a podium with
any Jew who recognizes Israel, in a dialogue or anything else.
[...]
Sheik Al-Qaradhawi, at
the same time that you called for supporting Hizbullah – and indeed,
you supported it – you also stated that you consider its leader, Hassan
Nasrallah, to be a fanatic, like all Shiites. Did you say this?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes, I did.
Interviewer: On
what basis did you say that he was fanatic?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
There are things that indicate this. He did not have a clear-cut response
when I attacked the Shiites for not... They do not implement things
that we agree upon on Sunni-Shiite conferences. When I attacked them,
they attacked me harshly. I expected him to say something that would
do me justice. After all, we have good relations, and I have always
stood in his defense against people who issued fatwas forbidding
support for Hizbullah. But he did not say a word [in my defense]. However,
he is not one of the extreme fanatics.
[...]
There was not a single
Shiite in Egypt, since the days of Saladin. Now there are Shiites in
Egypt, who write in newspapers, who pen books, and who appear on TV.
Isn't that poof [of Shiite proselytizing]? This is happening in several
Arab countries, which did not have a single Shiite. This is proof. We
are receiving information from various countries. I am not secluded
from the world. I head an international institute with scholars from
all countries, and we receive information. I am not making anything
up. This is not what we agreed upon in our [interfaith] conventions.
We agreed, among other things, that one denomination should not try
to spread into countries of the other. They did not honor this.
[...]
Interviewer: Sheik
Al-Qaradhawi, you described the Shiites as – and I quote – "heretics."
Then you call for Sunni-Shiite rapprochement. Do you want Sunnis to
become close to "heretics," as you call them?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes. We have conducted dialogue with the Christians, and we are not
calling for dialogue with the Eastern idolatrous religions – Buddhism,
Hinduism, and others. So how can we not conduct dialogue with Muslims,
whose [ideology] contains heresy - for which we condemn them? This does
not mean that they are not Muslims. The fact that they are heretics
does not exclude them from the community of Muslims, unless their heresy
is of the kind that turns a Muslim into an infidel.
[...]
Interviewer: Am
I correct in saying that you are against Christian proselytizing?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes, I am. All Muslims are against Christian proselytizing. Who can
accept Muslims being converted to Christianity? No one can accept this.
Interviewer: Are
you also against spreading the call for Islam in the West, among non-Muslims?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Of course not. I support the spreading of the call for Islam. I believe
that Islam is the true religions, with which Allah sealed the [monotheistic]
messages. But this cannot be achieved by treating people as fools –
by giving people money, like they do, in order to make them convert.
They convert the poor to Christianity by paying them. We condemn this.
[...]
I support all liberties,
and I consider freedom to be sacred. I have often said – and this
has angered some Islamists – that freedom takes precedence over implementing
Islamic law. I say that before we implement Islamic law, we must achieve
freedom. We cannot implement Islamic law in a society devoid of liberties.
Interviewer: Do
you believe that when a Muslim wants to convert to Christianity, this
constitutes freedom of belief?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
If a person is really free, he has the right to change his religion.
However, we must give him a chance, try to get him to repent, understand
why he is changing his religion. A Muslim cannot possibly want to change
his monotheistic religion, unless there is something wrong with him.
This has been proven by history. Those who try to leave the fold of
Islam do so, I'm sad to say, for other – non-religious – considerations.
[...]
Interviewer: Sheik
Al-Qaradhawi, you have criticized the ban [on building] minarets in
Switzerland, haven't you?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes, of course.
Interviewer: But
do you accept, at the same time... Even if it has been permitted to
build churches in some Arab countries, especially in the Gulf, [Christians]
are forbidden to raise crosses or to build belfries, under the pretext
that these are religious symbols. How can you accept one, but not the
other?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Here in Qatar, the building of some churches has been permitted –
each church belonging to a different denomination. I did not denounce
this.
[...]
Interviewer: In
some Islamic countries, there is a complete ban on building churches.
What is your view on this?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Nowhere is there a complete ban on this, except in Hijaz, which has
a special status in Islam. It is considered the fortress of Islam, and
it belongs purely to Islam. It is like the Vatican. Nobody will build
a mosque in the Vatican.
[...]
Interviewer: Would
you accept a Copt as a candidate for the Egyptian presidency, just like
you issued a fatwa permitting a woman's candidacy to the position
of judge?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
Yes.
Interviewer: So
you don't have a problem with a Copt running for president in Egypt?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
It is not a problem.
Interviewer: But
isn't it considered a position of "general rule"?
Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi:
What is forbidden to non-Muslims and women is presenting their candidacy
to the position of Caliph, who heads the Islamic nation. This is a religious
position, not merely a political one. Egypt and the other [Muslim] countries
are considered to be a region within the greater Islamic state.